NEB&W Passenger Train Operations

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NEB&W Operations Table of Contents

Overview

Since we have two railroads to merge into the NEB&W, this can get a little tricky. We tend to duplicate known elements of the two, since the overall information is so spotty.

The passenger train makeup is from one for the D&H for 1938.



The Mount Royal and the milk traffic is from the conductor's notebooks of a Mr. William Shakespeare on the Rutland for 1937-'47, which has been computer analyzed. The schedules are from the D&H.



The passenger trains are described below. They do a lot more than just run end to end, and as we look deeper into the prototype operations, it continues to make more and more sense.

We operate with a regular clock, but with a three-hour session representing 12 hours, so in a sense a 1:4 fast clock. We hope to get a variable fast clock, so that:

  • 1) we get more of sense of what time it is supposed to be, i.e., 4 o'clock in the morning on a fast clock means you expect to start hearing roosters crowing. On our clock, the time shown has no relation to the "real" clock. We start with it set to an arbitrary 1 o'clock, which I guess means 6 am, but then 2 o'clock means 10 am.


  • 2) we wish to play around with the ratio to make the session not too hectic by making the ratio too high and not be too slow if the ratio approaches 1 to 1.



Equipment is based on our previously described green dot/tan dot system, in order to encourage good modeling yet still allow for substitute equipment to fill in as needed. During the 1950 session, only NEB&W power is used on the main. In a club setting, members like to bring in their own equipment to run during a session, so you get a hodge-podge of engines. It make little sense to make a challenge of accurate scenes, industries and operations if your motive power is Hungarian goulash. Even though of course the NEB&W is fictitious, it is consistent internally.



Train Descriptions

All locals stop at every station building along their route. Odd-numbered trains are northbound and even-numbered trains, southbound. Most trains continue on to Albany, and only a few change engines in Troy. All passenger trains operate by schedule, and do not contact the Dispatcher other than when leaving Alburgh or Rensselaer, and if not more than three minutes late. Passenger trains must adhere to their schedule, and not depart a station prior to their scheduled time, or else there will be some mighty angry last-minute passengers. Times given below are real and not operating session times.

"RPO" is Railroad Post Office, cars containing a compartment where postal workers can sort mail enroute. Much mail is also shipped in bulk, in regular baggage cars. "Mail - storage" can be either a baggage car or an RPO that doesn't have a crew on board. Railway Express Agency, the UPS of the times, also shipped express in baggage cars. "NYC" under "Probable roadname" means "New York Central", but under "From/To" stands for "New York City".

No. 1, Mail Train

This morning local (except Sunday) is essentially the mail and express train. It leaves NYC in the middle of the night as NYC 163, arrives Troy early in the morning, and reaches the end of its run at Alburgh in the afternoon. For more info, see this section.

No. 2/5 The Flyer

This pair are the Chateaugay locals (except Sunday) and are nicknamed The Flyer because in earlier years they continued to Montreal as the name train the Berkshire Flyer, before being cut back to Chateaugay. No. 2 leaves Chateaugay in the early morning and reaches Troy around noon. It connects with NYC 146 in Albany. No. 5 connects with NYC 41, leaving Albany at close of business. Because of this, it carries many commuters northward, and contains many extra coaches which are dropped at Saratoga for use in the morning rush hour. No. 5 only carries baggage as far as North Bennington.

No. 2’s consist:

  • 1 NYC or NEB&W RPO-baggage, from Chateaugay to Albany. Return on No. 1.
  • 1 NEB&W combine (as needed), from Chateaugay to Albany. Return on No. 5.
  • 1 NYC or NEB&W steel coach, from Chateaugay to Albany. Return on No. 5.
  • 1 NEB&W wood coach (as needed), from North Bennington to Albany. Return on No. 1.



No. 5’s consist:

  • 1 NEB&W can milk car, from NYC to Chateaugay, (for North Creek). Return on No. 88.
  • 1 NEB&W mail-express (baggage for bulk mail), from Albany to N.Ben.(for 87). Return on No. 34.
  • 1 NEB&W combine (as needed), from Albany to Chateaugay. Return on No. 2.
  • 1 NYC or NEB&W coach, from NYC to Chateaugay. Return on No. 2.
  • 1-2 NEB&W wood coaches, from Albany to Saratoga. Return on No. 40.
  • 2 NEB&W wood coaches (exp. Sat.), from Albany to Saratoga. Return on No. 40.



These trains are based on D&H trains of the same numbers. However, on the Rutland, the Green Mountain Flyer was similar and right at the end, it was cut back to only as far north as Burlington instead of continuing to Montreal.



Nos. 3/4, North Bennington Locals

This pair of afternoon trains are the North Bennington locals, connecting the milk train between North Bennington and Alburgh. No. 3 starts in NYC in the morning as NYC 55, the Advanced Empire State Express to Albany, and reaches Troy at noon. It arrives at North Bennington at mid-afternoon, and half an hour later departs as No. 4, continuing to New York City as NYC 96, arriving there in the evening. In this period, most people work half a day on Saturday, and so on that day, No. 3 carries a portion of the commuters northbound, rather than No. 5, a later train.

No. 3’s consist:

  • 1 NYC bulk mail (baggage) car, running Albany to North Bennington (for No. 35). Returns on No. 34.
  • 1 NYC coach (as needed), running Albany to N.Bennington. Returns on No. 4.
  • 1 NEB&W coach (Sat. only), running Albany to Saratoga. Returns on No. 40.
  • 1 NEB&W wood coach, running Albany to N.Ben.(for no. 7). Returns on No. 88-4.
  • 1 NYC RPO-baggage, running Albany to N.Ben.(for No. 87). Returns on No. 88-4.
  • 1 NYC mail storage car (baggage), (Sun. only), running Albany to Saratoga. Returns on No. 40 (Monday).



No. 4’s consist:

  • 1 NYC baggage, from Saratoga to New York City. Returns on No. 1
  • 1 NYC express (baggage car) from No. 150 from Glens Falls, running from Saratoga to New York City. Returns on No. 1.
  • 1 NYC RPO or RPO-baggage (from No. 88), running from North Bennington to New York City. Returns on No. 3-87.
  • 1 NEB&W baggage (from No. 88), running from North Bennington to New York City. Returns on No. 1.
  • 1 NEB&W wood coach (from No. 88), running from North Bennington to Albany. Returns on No. 3-87.
  • 1 NEB&W coach (as needed), running from North Bennington to New York City. Returns on No. 3.
  • 1 NEB&W coach (off No. 44), running from North Bennington to New York City. Return on No. 1.



These trains are somewhat based on D&H trains of the same numbers, except on the D&H, these were really the milk trains. (We are following the Rutland's train and thus removed the milk cars from our version of these D&H trains.)



No. 9/10, Montreal Limited

The Montreal Limited is the night luxury train connecting New York City and Montreal. It only makes stops at Troy and Alburgh. All the cars except as noted run from all the way between the two end points. The diner is switched on (northbound) and out (southbound) at North Bennington, and runs between there and Montreal. The diner is placed at the rear of the train, and has to be turned in North Bennington in order to keep the kitchen end to the rear. Much of the equipment is streamlined. Unlike most of the passenger trains, these do not cross the river to run through Albany, but continue straight from or to the Hudson Division, as NYC 61 northbound and NYC 62. On the southbound trip, No. 10 is combined in Troy with the Mount Royal.
See this section.



Nos. 34/35, the Richelieu Shore Express

The Richelieu Shore Express is the day name train. It leaves New York City as No. 95 in the morning, arriving in Albany around noon, where it becomes NEB&W 35. (Summer only, it leaves NYC as 143, and becomes NEB&W 35 in Troy.) It returns as NEB&W 34, becoming NYC 144 in Troy (year-round), and continues down the Hudson Division. The 6 streamline "World’s Fair" coaches and two streamline diners were bought by the NEB&W for this service.
Train stops at Alburgh, Chateaugay, Port Henry, Lake George, North Bennington, Saratoga and Troy.

No. 40/41, Saratoga Communter

This pair is the vestige of the 1900 Saratoga Limited. No. 40 was No. 160 before the War. The morning train is scheduled for rush hour, but the northbound leaves Albany at 7:30, and many commuters take No. 5 or on Saturday, No. 3 instead. For more info, see this section.

No. 43/46, Alburgh/Northern New York Express

The Alburgh/Northern New York Express, despite the names, are the night locals between North Bennington and Alburgh, providing a connection to Boston over the Rutland and Boston & Maine. The D&H did not serve Boston or Alburgh, but on Rutland timetables, this train is called the Northern New York Express, but on NEB&W timetables, this is the Alburgh Express.
The northbound leaves Boston as BM 5511, becomes Rutland 143 at Bellows Falls, then NEB&W 43 at North Bennington and finally at Alburgh, O&LR No. 3. It returns as O&LR No. 6, NEB&W 46, Rutland 146 and B&M 5511. O&LR 3&6 does not run on Sunday.

No. 43’s consist:

  • 1 B&M sleeper (from No. 143) (except Saturday), from North Bennington to Alburgh. Return on Nos. 46-146.
  • 1 B&M sleeper (from No. 143) (Saturday only), from North Bennington to Chateaugay. Return on Nos. 46-146.
  • 1 B&M or Rutland coach (from No. 143), from North Bennington to Alburgh (to Oldensburg). Return on Nos. 6-46-146.
  • 1 NYC or Pullman 10-2 or 12-1 sleeper (from No. 51), from North Bennington to Chateaugay. Return on No. 46-52.
  • 1 NEB&W steel RPO-baggage (Nos. 190-192) (from No. 51), from North Bennington to Alburgh (to Oldensburg). Return on No. 6-46-52.



No. 46’s consist:

  • 1 NEB&W steel RPO-baggage (nos. 190-192) (from No. 6), from Alburgh to No. Ben. (for No. 52). Returns on No. 51-53-3.
  • 1 B&M or Rutland coach (from No. 6), from Alburgh to North Bennington (for No. 146). Returns on No. 143-43-3.
  • 1 NEB&W coach, from Alburgh to North Bennington (for No. 34). Returns on No. 1.
  • 1 NEB&W baggage, from Alburgh to North Bennington (for No. 34). Returns on No. 1.
  • 1 B&M baggage, from Chateaugay to North Bennington (for No. 146). Returns on No. 143-51.
  • 1 NYC or Pullman sleeper (for NYC), from Chateaugay to North Bennington. (for No. 52). Returns on No. 51-43.
  • 1 B&M sleeper (for Boston) (except Saturday), from Alburgh to North Bennington. (for No. 146). Returns on No. 143-43.
  • 1 B&M sleeper (for Boston) (Saturday only), from Chateaugay to North Bennington. (for No. 146). Returns on No. 143-43.
  • 1 NEB&W wood RPO-baggage (Nos. 180-183) (for Troy), from Chateaugay to North Bennington (for No. 52). Returns on No. 5l.



Nos. 51/52, Mount Royal

The Mount Royal is also a night name train, but it serves the NEB&W territory, stopping at Troy, Saratoga, North Bennington, Chateaugay and Alburgh. For more info, see this section.

Nos. 83-87/88, the Milk Trains

This is the milk train, which also carries baggage, mail and passengers between North Bennington and Alburgh. These passenger cars continue on No. 4 southbound and return on No. 1 (baggage) and No. 3 (mail and passengers). All Hood, Whiting, and B&M cars are switched out at North Bennington and any Rutland cars are picked up there. All Sheffield Farms, Dairymen’s League, Borden’s, NYC and NEB&W continue to New York City via Troy. The milk train continues past Troy to Chatham, to reach New York on the Harlem Division The combine and engine(s) had about a half-hour layover in Chatham before returning with empties as the northbound.



No. 83’s consist:

  • 10 various milk cars (ave.), running from Chatham to North Bennington (for No. 87), return on No. 88.
  • 1 NEB&W Combine, no. 253, running from Chatham to North Bennington, return on No. 88.



No. 87’s consist:

  • 10 various milk cars (from No. 83), running from North Bennington to various creameries, return on No. 88. (Also the local way freight, BA-11, sets out some.)
  • 1 NEB&W wood coach, (from No. 3), running from North Bennington to Alburgh, return on No. 88-4.
  • 1 NEB&W baggage (from No. 5), running from North Bennington to Alburgh, return on No. 34.
  • 1 NEB&W RPO-baggage, nos. 180-182 (from No. 3), running from North Bennington to Alburgh, return on No. 88-4.



No. 88’s consist:

  • 13 various milk cars (ave.), running from various creameries to Chatham, return on No. 83-87, 5, or 35.
  • 1 NEB&W Coach, running from Alburgh to No. Ben. (for No. 4), return on No. 3-87.
  • 1 NEB&W wood RPO-baggage, nos. 180-1822, running from Alburgh to No. Ben. (for No. 4), return on No. 3-87.
  • 1 NEB&W baggage, running from Alburgh to No. Ben. (for No. 4), return on No. 1.
  • 1 NEB&W Combine, no. 253, running from Alburgh to North Bennington, return on No. 83.



Nos. 150, 161/162, Glens Falls Local

These trains served Glens Falls (5.5 miles up the branch) with connections at Saratoga for the mainline trains (except Sunday). There is one combine which must deadhead (on a freight?) because there are two southbound and only 1 northbound.
No. 150 leaves Glens Falls at 3:55 PM, and connects at Saratoga with No. 4. It brings down the express car brought there by No.1-161.
No. 161 waits for No. 1, and carries the express car from Saratoga (off No. 1) to Glens Falls. It leaves Saratoga at 8:40 AM and arrives Glens Falls at 8:58.
No. 162 leaves Glens Falls at 11:05 AM, reaching Saratoga at 11:20. No. 2 reaches there 10 minutes later. No. 162 consists of one car only, the combine.

Since we can't operate the Glens Falls branch, since it doesn't extend past the highway overpass at Johnsonville, this set of trains we don't actually run.

Nos. 181/182, North Creek Local

This pair of trains serves North Creek (except Sunday). No. 181 waits for No. 5 in Chateaugay, and No. 182 connects with No. 88. The only through car is the NEB&W milk car. No. 181/182 has a RPO-baggage and a coach, which shuttle between Chateaugay and North Creek. These trains are based closely on the D&H trains of the same numbers that served the real North Creek, with the exception being the real trains start out of Saratoga near the south end of the line, while the NEB&W version starts at Chateaugay at the north end.



No. 457/458, Addison Local

This pair of mixed trains serves Larrabees Point (Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday) or just Whiting (Monday, Wednesday and Friday) from Chateaugay. This train is based closed on the Rutland's Addison train, with the exception being that instead of originating in Rutland and going north up to the branch, our version starts in Chateaugay and heads south, down to the branch.

A milk car is picked up from Orwell and delivered to Chateaugay for No. 88. If the train was delayed because of extra freight, the milk car would be set out at Vergennes.
In mid-1950, the service was cut to Tuesday only, and dropped (when the branch was abandoned) May 21, 1951.